A trip through the fantasy worlds I enjoy

 

There are a lot of strategies you can employ in Ashes. Being the kind of guy I am I like to play games where I try to exploit them (and then claim I am doing my job by providing design feedback about our games). I’ve done bomber rushes, gone hard into radioactives to try to rush t3 dreadnoughts and skip the lower level ships entirely, I’ve avoided the economy entirely and tried to deathball directly at my opponent’s seed, I’ve engineer rushed to drop defenses around the regions that grant victory points and tried to hold them with defensive buildings.

As you would expect, every strategy has an advantage and a disadvantage and a capable player can start to dismantle the system you are building with the right moves. I have yet to beat Brad in a game (I’m hopeful one of you can when you start playing, seriously he needs beaten!).

For the game I played today I decided to try to exploit the unit cap. I wanted to make a vast army of low level units, mostly Archer’s and Artemis’s. Though I ended up using some Hermes for radar early on.

 

Disclaimer: Nothing you will see in this post is internal stuff, or any kind of dev or cheat option. I don’t have a higher unit cap than normal, I didn’t cheat to spawn any of these units. This is a real game played on the build that is going out in Early Access tomorrow (October 22nd, 2015).

To make this experiment the most interesting I setup the game specifically for this. I choose one of the largest maps, which is typically for 6 player games and brought it down to just me and 1 Ai opponent. I’m going to need lots of mines to feed my massive minion army. Then I increased the amount of victory points needed to win to 10,000. I didn’t want this game to end any way other than the crash of massive armies.

Then I was ready to begin.

My first move was to start making engineers, I was going to need a lot for this plan to work. One went and grabbed an early region (normally I go for a radioactive region, but with this strategy I was going to need lots of metal). One started making factories, by the end I would have 10 factories all set to continually build Tier 1 (Archers) or Tier 2 (Artemis’s). I don’t know that Archer’s and Artemis’s are the most efficient backbone of my army but I do like seeing lot of missiles being fired so they are my favorite.

The next engineer was out upgrading my home regions metal resources. He would later go following armies, upgrading resources in the regions they conquered. My last starter Engineer was assigned to start making Quantum Relays. I was going to need a lot of technology upgrades to increase my logistics limit. And I wanted to have a VERY high logistics limit. At the end of the day that’s all I needed, massive amounts of metal and research, all funneled into one flowing river of death.

Once the machine producing my army was running I had only to keep it fed. I would grab chunks of my waiting units and send them out on sweeps to claim regions, or attack enemy bases. The AI had attempted a few forays into my areas and been brutally repulsed. It backed away and hunkered down on the victory point locations, surrounding them with missile launchers. Fortunately I’d increased the victory limit or the AI would have own like this. It also began production of an Advanced Factory to begin producing Dreadnoughts.

This last point did push me off of my plan when I saw the AI’s first Dreadnought roll into battle and start cutting through my sea of red ships. I switched my factories over to Nemesis production (fortunately I had 10 of them well fed with metal) and after a harrowing minute of retreating I have a meta-unit built to disassemble dreadnoughts. He was far in my territory by this point so when my new Nemesis army fell on him, there was no getting away.

I followed it up by continuing all the way back to his advanced factory and destroying it in a hail of missile fire. By this point he was in retreat and I was running six separate armies, all as large as any single army I had used in any other Ashes game. They flooded out across the map like a red tide, it was somewhat hypnotic to watch. I suddenly wanted to make a SimAnt game with the Nitrous engine, and I understood why leaders have their armies march in parades before them.

Admittedly I did take my time building up my army. At some point it went from an experiment in specialization of large armies of small units to seeing just how big my army could get. Upon seeing my game one of the developers commented “You’re supposed to be converting the world in Turinium, not hover tanks.” She was so wrong.

The above is just my staging area. The place where all my factories send their units. This screenshot doesn’t include the thousands of units I already have out in armies conquering the world. My poor opponent, unwilling mouse to my cat was quickly swallowed up when I gave all of my armies the order to head for his seed. I like to think that he took some comfort in the fact that he didn’t get attacked my most of them because there was literally not a single open space anywhere near his space when they flooded him.

 

Look for Ashes of the Singularity tomorrow on Steam early access. If you already have the game then we would love to have you online playing multiplayer games with us. Please let know what strategies work for you. If you prefer big or small armies, powerful dreadnoughts or death from above. And someone please beat Brad.


Comments
on Oct 21, 2015

So my question is, how would it have been different if you had made all brutes? All scouts? Some combination? Consider these questions from a unit differentiation and group composition perspective.

on Oct 23, 2015

 

I probably could have gone with all Brutes because I was playing against the Beginner AI (which gets a lot of penalties). Against harder AI's it would have been more important to specialize my armies, which I did have to do a little to build a Nemesis force to take out his Dreadnought.

When I play Brad I have to be really careful in balancing speed, anti-air and building destruction. I'm horrible at scouting, usually just building my armies to go enact my plans. Brad destroys me by setting traps for me to wander into and knowing the battlefield (where my armies are, where I have dug in and where I am weak). I need to get better at using small groups of Hermes to keep an eye on things.

 

on Oct 23, 2015


And someone please beat Brad.

think I just unknowingly made your wish come true, I beaten Brad for you He is indeed quite sneaky almost got me with a bomber strike force. it was quite a good game I think and would be happy to play more multiplayer games, and potential rematches .

 

I prefer a more aggressive/overwhelming strategies hitting resource extractors, and exposed units with bombers and use a lot of tier 1 since there is so much metal. and use radioactives on Zeus as they extremely good at wiping out tier 1 units with trying to get tier 3 out decently fast. I don't find defences to be that useful as I could have just used the metal to get another batch of units to throw at someone.

on Oct 23, 2015

Krasmoth



And someone please beat Brad.



think I just unknowingly made your wish come true, I beaten Brad for you He is indeed quite sneaky almost got me with a bomber strike force. it was quite a good game I think and would be happy to play more multiplayer games, and potential rematches .

 

I prefer a more aggressive/overwhelming strategies hitting resource extractors, and exposed units with bombers and use a lot of tier 1 since there is so much metal. and use radioactives on Zeus as they extremely good at wiping out tier 1 units with trying to get tier 3 out decently fast. I don't find defences to be that useful as I could have just used the metal to get another batch of units to throw at someone.

 

That was a great game.  I had one disadvantage, there was a bug on that map where I couldn't extract the radioactive near my home region. So I couldn't build up my tech nearly as fast as I would normally (and obviously shrunk my bomber force).  Fixed the map bug right after.

It was a blast. Great game.

on Oct 24, 2015

I would kill for a replay of these games to better my skills. Brad, you should totally record/stream a full match!

on Oct 24, 2015

that is unfortunate with the map bug though glad it has been fixed. I think that this calls for a rematch sometime later, I'll let you pick the map.

HateDread, I wouldn't mind playing some games with you to help better your skills. My steam name is Karath. Send me a message or friend invite. Have to let you know I live in Denmark so there might be a time zone difference

on Oct 24, 2015

Krasmoth

that is unfortunate with the map bug though glad it has been fixed. I think that this calls for a rematch sometime later, I'll let you pick the map.

HateDread, I wouldn't mind playing some games with you to help better your skills. My steam name is Karath. Send me a message or friend invite. Have to let you know I live in Denmark so there might be a time zone difference

There are many a Karath on Steam Add me instead! Will play when I can so I can one day meet Brad on the battlefield.

on Oct 24, 2015

Frogboy

Fixed the map bug right after.
this is the stuff. 

I like that you guys play your game then fix bugs. this is very.... test-driven-development IMO and I like that.

on Oct 24, 2015

This whole thread makes me happy. This is why we make games, you guys are the best. (and Krasmoth you are my hero!)

on Oct 24, 2015

I Play in a similar style although i occupy all the slots with normal AI and go for mass dreadnoughts.

 

 

Guess how long that seed lasted from first shot that hit to last ?

on Oct 26, 2015

 

That's really cool. I have been wanting to try that, is it effective for all the time it takes to produce the units? We should try a game against each other where you go for Dreadnoughts and I try my hive swarm.

on Oct 26, 2015

Derek Paxton

 

That's really cool. I have been wanting to try that, is it effective for all the time it takes to produce the units? We should try a game against each other where you go for Dreadnoughts and I try my hive swarm.

I'd be ready to do that right now. I've plenty of places you can hit me up on :

first of which being FAF irc : http://cbe002.chat.mibbit.com/?server=faforever.com&channel=%23Aeolus

second is my email. or tatsujb on steam or skype.

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